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Yo pienso que este record no es válido, ya que en ningún momento enseña o cuenta en voz alta las monedas que tiene en la mano. Sinceramente, creo que el record me pertenece. I think this record is not valid, since at no time has taught or aloud the coins he has in hand. Honestly, I think the record belongs to me.
It is humanly impossible to fit 49 dimes on the back of your hand without them overlapping unless you have unusually massive hands ala Shaq or Dwight Howard.
This record is wrong for a couple of different reasons. First, the rules state that the coins must not overlap when laid on the back on the hand. Secondly, you never counted the coins, it does not look like 49 dimes. And finally, if you listen closely you can hear a dime you did not catch hit the ground.
Good job John Drinkwater, but we cannot see the actual count of 49 American Dimes, I think it would be better if you send us a video showing the actual count.:)
Good job John Drinkwater, but we cannot see the actual count of 49 American Dimes, I think it would be better if you send us a video showing the actual count.:)
I still want to see this record hit 30. Where y'at Mr. Badger? Or mayabe TJ Van's lurking in the shadows waiting to drop the big 30. Regardless I just want to see this category keep going!
The audio is messed up but this is 25 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXVV0GJEi0U - a cleaner video for sure, don't see anything here that can be disputed.
Other improvements on evidence could include showing your OTHER hand is completely empty and flat before the attempt. And if available a second and/or third camera can give even more solid evidence for your case :)
And can I just say... this is frickin' amazing! I pushed my PB on this one to 19 but I think the current benchmark is just beyond my reach... I think part of the impressiveness of the attempt is simply being able to have the coins balancing in the first place! I love your technique in catching - I have to study it to try and mimic it. Perfection. Oh also, the lighting makes it difficult to see anything dropping. Maybe do it on a hard floor with front lighting (not back) so you can hear/see anything bouncing... geez gets technical :) I'm impressed and doubt it can be pushed too much further... but please try!
For clarification of those contributing, the category is "from back of hand". How far up the wrist is acceptable as the original was pretty spread out,,,
Obviously I didn't mean to go off-screen, but I would say that my fast motions would help my case for being unable to pick up any coins following the attempt. I agree that should coins fall off my hand after showing the camera I should re-show them. I appreciate your comments, Peter, and will do my best to make the best video possible.
I'm not cancelling out this attempt as failed, I think it passes - but in future if this record is broken again make sure anyone trying be as detailed as possible with evidence, avoid going off screen or fast movement (as excited as you may be :) and ensure the count is clear from the start without modification between attempts... I love seeing the final records, but I actually enjoy the process personally - I'd love to see the progression or countless failed attempts with all the "ooohs" and "ahhh!" and "dang, try again so clooose". This definitely adds to the fact that you didn't just use trickery, you tried and tried again. You're right the overlap is passable but borderline - particularly the one 5 coins back from the front in the middle was the one I thought might be questionable.
If you look at 24 seconds my left hand goes down and my have becomes open, meaning that had I not placed the coins back on my have at 7 seconds I couldn't at any point have put coins back in my hand. Also, the coins were not over lapping at any point, I believe that it looks that way because of the depth/rise and falls of my hand due to bone and veins. I hope we can agree that this video is totally legitimate, but in the mean time I will post my video of 25 tonight to help my case.
There's a lot to be suspicious about with this clip but it comes down to how much we can assume honesty/integrity based on previous attempts. I think it's should be accepted as borderline OK but calls for stricter/more detailed attention to evidence for future attempts. As coin disappear/appear tricks are difficult to even see on camera this category opens itself to trickery fairly easily. It appears as though at the beginning of the clip his hand is in the shape of a classic coin palm (http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~roy/magictalk-wisdom/discussions/classic/classicpalmhowto.html) and it certainly looks like the coin(s) are then transferred at 0:26 BUT 0:07 discredits this as he drops a coin or two which opens his palm. He then puts these back which is all fair and good in my view. Love to see where this category ends up and try for improved evidence in future! Oh... and when he shows the coins at the start, one of the coins is slightly overlapping... stretching the criteria slightly. Now I want to try this with Australian coins :)
Jefferson, Im with you on this, I was just pointing out from a devils advocate point of view how the video could be perceived. Well done on a great record.
Phil, if I had put nothing on my hand I still don't see where I could have picked up two dimes that quickly or how I could have planned the number of dimes falling off my hand. I have videos of 22, 23 and 25 if the progression to 26 would help clear this up.
At the very beginning two coins slip off my hand and as you can see I place them back on my hand before I throw them up. At :26 I was just using my left hand to push the coins together in my hand for counting them. I also think from watching the video that I'm moving way too fast to have picked up any additional dimes. I have 26 at the beginning and 26 at the end, not sure where I would have dumped and picked up? Also not sure what I could have done out of the frame, if you can grab a dime while jumping and flailing your arms let me know. I've really enjoyed this record and would do nothing to tarnish the integrity of it.
This looks genuine to me, even the slip a coin in at 26secs looks like a coin was coming out of his hand and he just pushed it back. when the coins drop, yo ucant actually see the coins being put back, it could be thin air! but the reactions of his friends makes it all look authentic to me.
Everything about this video feels honest and trustworthy. The reactions are totally intense. I'm interested in hearing Jefferson comment on the controversial 0:26 mark, but lean heavily toward approving the submission.
Interesting. It certainly looks like he could have slipped an extra coin in there, but then again, when he's celebrating out of frame, he could have done just about anything. There's no proof that he did, and there's no proof that he didn't. The only way to be relatively certain is to stay in the camera's view the entire time, with your hand always in view and never touched by your other hand. I don't know if all the previous record holders did that or not, so I'm not sure what to say. Jefferson, I think you probably did do it, but going out of frame, and doing what you did with your hand sort of left it up to speculation.
Cyril -- Looks legitimate to me. At the beginning of the video, he clearly has 26 coins laid out on his arm. What I would be questioning is the 7 second mark where multiple coins fall from his arm.
Jefferson - try this record (which I started) http://recordsetter.com/world-record/nickels-stood-up-30-seconds/7685, or this one http://recordsetter.com/world-record/nickel-domino-chain/7635
Schuyler - I progressed. I did 12, then 16, then 17 and finally 20. I'd say 20 took about 10 takes total. And Pat is right, dimes fit more easily, not sure weight makes a difference.
I second Simon here. Love the office record. So have to ask is "TJ Van" and "Jefferson Badger" going head to head on this one? Looks like there's quite a coin catching craze going on there in Madison
also, we were trying to figure out which coins would be the best to attempt with. Did you try other coins before settling on dimes? I was thinking nickels might be best b/c they've got some heft to em. Regardless - way to set this category and then just blow it out of the water! Cheers!
Aaaahhhh Snap! I wanted to beat this record bad yesterday, but could only get to 7. Jefferson - How long did you try this before you got it? What made you decide to double down and up the ante?
The RecordSetter office is trying hard to beat this record, but struggling. Schuyler only got to 7 coins. I think I got 5. Dan also failed. Where 0/3 right now. What is your secret?
All Comments for this Record Category
Dan Rollman
John, try again with tighter documentation. Vote to deny, even though this is an impressive attempt.
Emily Miethner
Agreed. This record needs to be denied for the simple fact that his coins are overlapping.
Juan Martínez
Yo pienso que este record no es válido, ya que en ningún momento enseña o cuenta en voz alta las monedas que tiene en la mano. Sinceramente, creo que el record me pertenece. I think this record is not valid, since at no time has taught or aloud the coins he has in hand. Honestly, I think the record belongs to me.
Patrick Lueck
It is humanly impossible to fit 49 dimes on the back of your hand without them overlapping unless you have unusually massive hands ala Shaq or Dwight Howard.
Simon Kirk
I'm with Jefferson on this one.
Jefferson Badger
This record is wrong for a couple of different reasons. First, the rules state that the coins must not overlap when laid on the back on the hand. Secondly, you never counted the coins, it does not look like 49 dimes. And finally, if you listen closely you can hear a dime you did not catch hit the ground.
Nikki Cuaton
Good job John Drinkwater, but we cannot see the actual count of 49 American Dimes, I think it would be better if you send us a video showing the actual count.:)
Nikki Cuaton
Good job John Drinkwater, but we cannot see the actual count of 49 American Dimes, I think it would be better if you send us a video showing the actual count.:)
Jennifer Wark
Awesome, Juan! I'd love to see a count of the coins afterward, though.
Juan Martínez
Gracias!!! Thanks!!!
Emily Miethner
Congrats, Juan!
Daniel Romero
ag at a spanish tv show, otra movida, they are trying to brake if, everyone that ase the show today can hsend them videos ;)
Rob Birdsong
Collin I don't see the overlap. Where?
Collin Thornton
I see overlapping of coins which is not allowed by the stated rules in the criteria
Schuyler Van Horn
I still want to see this record hit 30. Where y'at Mr. Badger? Or mayabe TJ Van's lurking in the shadows waiting to drop the big 30. Regardless I just want to see this category keep going!
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Jefferson Badger
The audio is messed up but this is 25 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXVV0GJEi0U - a cleaner video for sure, don't see anything here that can be disputed.
Peter Craig
Other improvements on evidence could include showing your OTHER hand is completely empty and flat before the attempt. And if available a second and/or third camera can give even more solid evidence for your case :)
Peter Craig
And can I just say... this is frickin' amazing! I pushed my PB on this one to 19 but I think the current benchmark is just beyond my reach... I think part of the impressiveness of the attempt is simply being able to have the coins balancing in the first place! I love your technique in catching - I have to study it to try and mimic it. Perfection. Oh also, the lighting makes it difficult to see anything dropping. Maybe do it on a hard floor with front lighting (not back) so you can hear/see anything bouncing... geez gets technical :) I'm impressed and doubt it can be pushed too much further... but please try!
Peter Craig
For clarification of those contributing, the category is "from back of hand". How far up the wrist is acceptable as the original was pretty spread out,,,
Jefferson Badger
Obviously I didn't mean to go off-screen, but I would say that my fast motions would help my case for being unable to pick up any coins following the attempt. I agree that should coins fall off my hand after showing the camera I should re-show them. I appreciate your comments, Peter, and will do my best to make the best video possible.
Peter Craig
I'm not cancelling out this attempt as failed, I think it passes - but in future if this record is broken again make sure anyone trying be as detailed as possible with evidence, avoid going off screen or fast movement (as excited as you may be :) and ensure the count is clear from the start without modification between attempts... I love seeing the final records, but I actually enjoy the process personally - I'd love to see the progression or countless failed attempts with all the "ooohs" and "ahhh!" and "dang, try again so clooose". This definitely adds to the fact that you didn't just use trickery, you tried and tried again. You're right the overlap is passable but borderline - particularly the one 5 coins back from the front in the middle was the one I thought might be questionable.
Jefferson Badger
If you look at 24 seconds my left hand goes down and my have becomes open, meaning that had I not placed the coins back on my have at 7 seconds I couldn't at any point have put coins back in my hand. Also, the coins were not over lapping at any point, I believe that it looks that way because of the depth/rise and falls of my hand due to bone and veins. I hope we can agree that this video is totally legitimate, but in the mean time I will post my video of 25 tonight to help my case.
Peter Craig
There's a lot to be suspicious about with this clip but it comes down to how much we can assume honesty/integrity based on previous attempts. I think it's should be accepted as borderline OK but calls for stricter/more detailed attention to evidence for future attempts. As coin disappear/appear tricks are difficult to even see on camera this category opens itself to trickery fairly easily. It appears as though at the beginning of the clip his hand is in the shape of a classic coin palm (http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~roy/magictalk-wisdom/discussions/classic/classicpalmhowto.html) and it certainly looks like the coin(s) are then transferred at 0:26 BUT 0:07 discredits this as he drops a coin or two which opens his palm. He then puts these back which is all fair and good in my view. Love to see where this category ends up and try for improved evidence in future! Oh... and when he shows the coins at the start, one of the coins is slightly overlapping... stretching the criteria slightly. Now I want to try this with Australian coins :)
Cyril Navidad
Great..!!! :D
Phil McFarlane
Jefferson, Im with you on this, I was just pointing out from a devils advocate point of view how the video could be perceived. Well done on a great record.
Jefferson Badger
Thanks, Cyril. I'll do my best in my next attempt to make it as 100% clear as possible.
Cyril Navidad
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Cyril Navidad
Very well said.. Thanks for clarifying that one.. Great job, Jefferson.. :) btw, you're friend at the back looks a lot like Jesse Wellens.. lol
Jefferson Badger
Phil, if I had put nothing on my hand I still don't see where I could have picked up two dimes that quickly or how I could have planned the number of dimes falling off my hand. I have videos of 22, 23 and 25 if the progression to 26 would help clear this up.
Jefferson Badger
At the very beginning two coins slip off my hand and as you can see I place them back on my hand before I throw them up. At :26 I was just using my left hand to push the coins together in my hand for counting them. I also think from watching the video that I'm moving way too fast to have picked up any additional dimes. I have 26 at the beginning and 26 at the end, not sure where I would have dumped and picked up? Also not sure what I could have done out of the frame, if you can grab a dime while jumping and flailing your arms let me know. I've really enjoyed this record and would do nothing to tarnish the integrity of it.
Phil McFarlane
This looks genuine to me, even the slip a coin in at 26secs looks like a coin was coming out of his hand and he just pushed it back. when the coins drop, yo ucant actually see the coins being put back, it could be thin air! but the reactions of his friends makes it all look authentic to me.
Dan Rollman
Everything about this video feels honest and trustworthy. The reactions are totally intense. I'm interested in hearing Jefferson comment on the controversial 0:26 mark, but lean heavily toward approving the submission.
Mick Cullen
Interesting. It certainly looks like he could have slipped an extra coin in there, but then again, when he's celebrating out of frame, he could have done just about anything. There's no proof that he did, and there's no proof that he didn't. The only way to be relatively certain is to stay in the camera's view the entire time, with your hand always in view and never touched by your other hand. I don't know if all the previous record holders did that or not, so I'm not sure what to say. Jefferson, I think you probably did do it, but going out of frame, and doing what you did with your hand sort of left it up to speculation.
Patrick Lueck
You can count them at :01
David Elmaleh
Cyril -- Looks legitimate to me. At the beginning of the video, he clearly has 26 coins laid out on his arm. What I would be questioning is the 7 second mark where multiple coins fall from his arm.
Cyril Navidad
Looks like a great record, Jefferson.. but i just noticed on the video it looks like you slipped a coin on your hand at 0:26 second mark..
Simon Kirk
How many attempts did this take you?
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Simon Kirk
Jefferson - try this record (which I started) http://recordsetter.com/world-record/nickels-stood-up-30-seconds/7685, or this one http://recordsetter.com/world-record/nickel-domino-chain/7635
Jefferson Badger
Schuyler - I progressed. I did 12, then 16, then 17 and finally 20. I'd say 20 took about 10 takes total. And Pat is right, dimes fit more easily, not sure weight makes a difference.
Jefferson Badger
I may have had the 7-year-old I babysit taping me attempting 22 today.
Jefferson Badger
It's actually an in-house battle, TJ and I are roommates.
Schuyler Van
I second Simon here. Love the office record. So have to ask is "TJ Van" and "Jefferson Badger" going head to head on this one? Looks like there's quite a coin catching craze going on there in Madison
Simon Kirk
I love that you were doing this quietly in an office. Go for 21 coins to beat Jefferson!
Patrick Lueck
Other coins might work better for weight but to fit 20 on your hand it has to be dimes!
Schuyler Van
also, we were trying to figure out which coins would be the best to attempt with. Did you try other coins before settling on dimes? I was thinking nickels might be best b/c they've got some heft to em. Regardless - way to set this category and then just blow it out of the water! Cheers!
Schuyler Van
Aaaahhhh Snap! I wanted to beat this record bad yesterday, but could only get to 7. Jefferson - How long did you try this before you got it? What made you decide to double down and up the ante?
Simon Kirk
This is amazing. Really, really hard. How many fails did you have?
Jennifer Wark
Wow -- that's pretty impressive!
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I like that!
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Good Job!
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Great!
Jefferson Badger
I don't know if there's a secret. It's all in the throw I think.
Simon Kirk
The RecordSetter office is trying hard to beat this record, but struggling. Schuyler only got to 7 coins. I think I got 5. Dan also failed. Where 0/3 right now. What is your secret?